
Wondering how the site is fairing in the SERPs now that I have some links building automatically? Have a look:
The terms, as of starting the case study, were sitting in the following positions:
1) 40
2) 14
3) 11
4) 12
5) 15
6) 17
Yahoo! backlinks: 1010
How is it doing today?
3/8/09:
1) 41
2) 14
3) 6
4) 12
5) 16
6) 20
Little bit of a slide for all but one term. Ouch.
Yahoo! backlinks: 1,630
So far, we have gotten 520 backlinks in about 2 weeks. Not bad. But the SERP movement is negligible at best (for the moment). I’ll hold off on my verdict, but if we don’t see any SERP movement, then I would venture to say that AMA/UAW as a straight forward SEO combination is a bit lacking. However, there are more advanced methods for using these services that I will employ if we do not see any benefit anytime soon.
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3/10/09:
Today there was enough of a change to make this update worthwhile.
1) 32
2) 9
3) 11
4) 15
5) 14
6) 6
I think the last update had a few terms out of order, but there is enough info to judge the trend. So far, it looks like the SERP slide was part of the Google dance and the site is now improving in the rankings. Two of the terms are now in the top 10, with another close behind. This is a tough sale niche with no adsense and only affiliate links. So I don’t expect any revenue increases until the top 3 is broken for a consistent period of time. But that is off topic. The point is the SERPs are improving as time goes on.
Yahoo! backlinks: 1,630
This hasn’t changed in the last two days (nor did I expect it to as backlink updates take FOREVER heh)
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3/18/09:
Another week in and I feel the rankings have stabilized a bit. Did we get any number 1 spots? No. But you can see that AMA+UAW at least gave a bit of an upward nudge.
1) 37
2) 8
3) 8
4) 9
5) 9
6) 10
Nice to see this site hit top 10 for all but one term. I have added AMA articles (~5) to see if we can push this one a little higher. This site has no way to view trackbacks so I CANNOT use AMA and UAW in an advanced linkbuilding method. Hence why this case study shows a straight forward usage.
As you can see, there are results. Are they spectacular? No. But they are real, and the services DO give results. The more sophisticated your usage of the services, the better your results. Later I may do a case study to show advanced link building with the services to show just how much better they can be if used intelligently.
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3/30/09:
I am going to close off this case study with this update. Why? Because I have enough information to draw a conclusion and make a plan for the future. Hare are the current rankings after the second round of submissions:
1) 16
2) 11
3) 6
4) 6
5) 11
6) 6
Yahoo! backlinks: 1680
I am seeing an upswing in sales, mostly because there is a much higher front page visibility. Another round of articles and a few LV posts should be enough to pop the top 3 and really ratchet up the sales. Notice that only 50 more links were counted.
So what does this all mean? AMA and UAW work. AMA more so than UAW, though I haven’t proven as much yet, you will have to take my word for it. Straight forward article submissions to AMA have cause this site to rise from solid second page, to solid first page in a relatively uncompetitive niche. The sales are at least double and it will only be a matter of time before I break top 3 with this site for several terms.
CONCLUSION
The conclusion? Will AMA work? Yes. Most definitely. Used in conjunction with UAW, your site can, and probably will see movement up the SERPs. Is it over night? No. Is it the one button press ‘win’ option? No of course not. Nothing like that exists. However, AMA and UAW do work. Not like the guru’s will claim because they just want a sale. But these services do in fact work. You have before you some real life honest data. The results were far from amazing, but they show that these do work. Imagine if I had double or tripled my lazy ass effort (which I will do in the next week I assure you)? Or if I utilized the more advanced methods of link building with these services?
The answer is easy. If I increase my effort and use these services more intelligently, I will have the number 1 spot for several terms in about a month’s time. This is my plan.
However, you do NOT have to take my word for it. You CAN use AMA yourself and get a refund if you dislike the service. Just make sure you give it a full month, and have several articles lined up to submit before you do put your money on the line, that way you can judge your results more accurately. I also recommend that you have at least one site that generates 50$ or more before you sign up for any paid service.
Now the obligatory link. You do NOT have to use my affiliate link, but it would be appreciated
If you want to try out AMA, give it a shot here: AMA
If you are making enough to cover both (~100$/month), or already have AMA and want to try UAW, you can try this runner up service here: UAW
I’m off to work on my primary project, I hope to catch you money making fools on the beach in the near future
Good luck!
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Yeah, you mention you might try some other more advanced ways to use these services….I’m getting the same results you are so I ditched AMA and I’m on to other stuff, but here is my big idea for how to best use these services….don’t just link to your sites, but find the best links out there on the net for your sites and link to THOSE pages…..a little crafty that is, and plus you can use more aggressive link building with this strategy without much risk (at least to your site).
What do you think? Is that a good idea?
this is exactly how some pro’s use the services. i’m not naming names, but i know of a few up and comers, and at least a couple gurus who do just that. a common thing to use AMA/UAW for is to pump link juice to farm sites. An example would be a hubpage that links to your money site or blog farm. getting that page some juice strengthens the link to your site and thereby moves it up the SERPs a bit.
if you’re smart, i’m sure you can see a few ways that AMA can exponentially increase your link farming efforts
i did not discuss them for this case study as i wanted to show how the ‘basic’ usage of the services shown through. As we can see, so far it is not substantial. Though i will say that i am surprised at how little movement there is because of a money site in another niche that moved from the second and third pages of certain phrases, to top 10 from this method alone. Different niches behave differently. THAT is something to remember. Though some of the terms (this morning) on this case study are now in the top 10, i’m not going to update until I see them there for a couple days.
And what about a slightly more aggressive approach such as using Linkvana to target and boost a post in which a competitor has linked to your website?
I am trying to gauge the effectiveness of this type of “secondary linking” as building links to my main pages doesn’t seem to have much effect. So I’m thinking of mounting a link building campaign that focuses exclusively on this idea of “secondary linking.” Griz from make money online fame says that it is a viable strategy, but he doesn’t really delve into how much energy to focus on the technique, when you could be building straight links to your own website instead.
At any rate, it is an interesting discussion, and I might try to organize my own little private test here so I can watch the serp changes myself and try to draw my own conclusions.
Like I said I am discouraged with AMA and UAW type stuff, and I was darn good at spinning content too…..
I happen to have LV as well, and as i have only stacked AMA and UAW in the manner we are talking about, i can’t vouch for using LV for this…but it would probably be FAR more effective. the main drawback with LV is that they do not allow spun content so you end up hiring out a bunch of work, or spending hours writing drivel for their blogs. their link value is much higher and probably worth more for this method. i’ll actually try that today
secondary linking, i know for a fact, is more than supported by griz. he uses it methodically. he uses what many call the 3-tier system. building a pyramid of sites. that way he has control of many of the strongest links coming to his site. The way i always envisioned it was like trying to capture each of the top 20 spots with different sites. the #1 site being linked from the bottom 19. i don’t know if griz uses AMA or UAW, but i definitely know he tells people to build links to intermediate AND bottom tier sites. the one thing to remember is to never link ‘downward’ in the tiers.
having a couple farms of my own now, i cannot tell you how large of an MMO farm he has, but i have a VERY strong suspicion it is MASSIVE
i would also be very interested to see your test and subsequent results
OK I am designing a test with a number of different keywords on a few different websites of mine and I will test this secondary linking theory using Linkvana only. I will not link to my “money pages” but only to my competitors pages that link to those money pages.
I will report my findings here as soon as I feel like I can give the technique a solid thumbs up or thumbs down. I’m going to use about 8 to 10 pages and keywords that are already established in the serps for this test.
I’ll let you know later, this is interesting stuff (to me anyway!)…..
i will definitely be interested in hearing about your results. I have been building LV links to my farm sites for my first farm. it is taking forever as i have a couple dozen in the second tier alone, but i plan on building more money sites in that niche so it should be worth the effort. thinking about building LV links to all sites that link to my middle sites is enough to make me want to curl up in the fetal position and start wearing adult diapers. thats a bit much for me
it might be worth it just to get the links indexed by running BMD against them. that way they get counted and a minor juice bump. i would be much more likely to build LV posts for the quality links (like an in text 3-way exchange). AMA and UAW built links are so plentiful and usually so low in quality that the time and effort used for building authority into them just doesn’t seem like it will be worth it unless it is automated (further leveraging AMA/UAW or BMD).
OK, first update here, I have been testing now for…what, about a week or less? Got some decent results starting off here. I have listed the competition level so that you get an idea of how hard it is to make movement in the serps with some of these. The more results in google, the harder it is to rise up in the serps, generally speaking.
Keyword #1 (Google competition = out of 13.7 million results) I have gone from #21 in the serps to #19.
Keyword #2 (Google competition = out of 14.5 million results) I have gone from #16 in the serps to #12.
Keyword #3 (Google competition = out of 816,000 results) I have gone from #6 in the serps to #4.
Keyword #4 (Google competition = out of 2.6 million results) I have slipped from #61 down to #63.
There are a few other keywords in the mix there that stayed the same with no movement, and maybe one other that slipped a notch but I did not have the energy to list them all.
However, bear in mind that keywords #1 and #2 up there are big money keywords for my site and if and when they hit the first page that will make a real impact for me in terms of revenue (I believe). If I can achieve that then this has been a real success in my opinion.
All in all, pretty encouraging results for the first week of testing. I’m going to continue on and will report back here in another week or so.
I am curious to see how everything turns out with your case study because I too am employing both of these systems and also the Free Traffic System.
the traffic really depends on the niche. this particular niche will not provide LARGE quantities of traffic, however the traffic it does give will be HIGHLY targetted buying traffic. even with #1 across the board, i don’t see breaking 100/day. though it is possible. however, with buying traffic you tend to see much higher conversions which make up for the lack in overall traffic.
how much competition do you have for the exact phrase? that tends to be the real signifier (for me anyway) of how difficult a word is. there is a site i found (i may still call him out for doing this) who claims he knows his shit because he took #1 for a phrase with like 10 words in it. the general search shows something like 18 million results. but the exact search shows 1. him. i’d be interested what your exact competition looks like.
i havent updated, but one of the terms on this case study is now #2
i will have to update on monday to verify the solidified rankings.
I agree that broad match is pretty useless, that was a good point.
Here are the exact match data for my keywords:
Keyword #1 = 109,000
Keyword #2 = 783,000
Keyword #3 = 296
Keyword #4 = 2.58 million
So I suppose that keyword number 3 is pretty pathetic, but those first 2 are still worth gold to me if I can make page one, I’m sure of it. In fact, I already make a few bucks per week off Keyword number one just bouncing between page 2 and 3 with it. Keyword #4 is sort of in the MMO niche and will take another year or two to rank well for I am sure, but that is fine too.
Furthermore, there is a formula that someone posted on the web about how to know which keywords to pursue based on competitiveness and also potential earnings per click. If you use exact match to measure the competition and get average CPC from Google Adwords tool, you can then figure in the monthly searches and come up with both a competitive ratio for each keyword and a total value ratio that takes all of this into account. This way you can figure out objectively which keywords are most valuable in how you spend your time building links, as it factors in the competition (how hard it will be to rank for something) but also the profit potential AND the monthly average search volume (how often people are actually searching for your keyword).
I built an excel file that calculates these ratios to compare my pool of keywords, but I’m not sure I really acted confidently based on the information. Here is the original formula posting + discussion if anyone is interested:
http://www.webraydian.com/content/view/17/32/
interesting. this sounds a lot like courts keyword sniping method. the first half is building a spreadsheet that does damn near this exactly. and is how i build half of my sites. the other half, i don’t even go to the trouble. the only sites i think this would be really beneficial for are the potential money sites. from here on im building farms first, then money sites. that gives a true signifier of what words can get ranked and how quickly, and actually bring in traffic.
i will have to write a post about building a spreadsheet though (how i have done it). even though it will be a rehash for most, it will be yet another method for people to mash into their tool box
Quick update here as this ends my experiment….I am going to start using Linkvana to link (very carefully and slowly) directly to my money pages. Up until now I have only been doing this “secondary linking” stuff.
Basically it worked great. I will continue to always use secondary linking because it works. My main 2 keywords that were sitting at position #21 and #16 in Google, and now they have both moved up, the 21 is now at #12 (with a double listing at 13!) and the 16 is sitting at #14 right now but is bouncing up to #11 as well.
This is without linking to these pages at all, but only linking to the pages that link to them using Linkvana. Did one post per day on Linkvana to get these results.
But it is over now because I am going to start ALSO using Linkvana to link directly to these money pages, thus skewing the results……
awesome

i have done something similar apart from this case study where i used AMA/UAW to boost links that linked to my money site. for three terms one moved from #4 to #2, another from 16 to 8, and the last from 24 to #1
i agree wholeheartedly that boosting pages that link to you is a much easier way to move up the SERPs and will probably do a case study showing just that in the near future